It’s Friday night in Colorado, the weather’s going haywire, and everyone’s battling a chest cold (forgive the occasional cough!). But that didn’t stop us from sitting down with the powerful rapper, bassist, songwriter, frontman, teacher, and free thinker—Avery Jacob.

Tony and Avery quickly discover a mutual connection through Denver drum phenom Alex Armstrong—turns out it really is a small world.

In this episode, we dive into deep conversation about creativity, purpose, and the art of teaching the next generation. Avery opens up about his creative process, the key to making timeless music, and what fuels his drive. We also explore the spiritual side of music, staying grounded through life’s chaos, and the value of flexibility in chasing fulfillment.

Then we get into Avery’s thoughts on neonatalism, his fear of snakes, and the great philosophical debate: can you separate the artist from the art? Oh—and the most important question of all (at least to Avery): what’s his favorite cheese? Tune in to find out.

Another episode in the books, and we’re stoked to share it with you. Avery Jacob is a force, and it’s always an honor having him on the show.

Cheers,

m&t